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SPOILER ALERT: This story incorporates spoilers for the sequence finale of “The Handmaid’s Story,” now streaming on Hulu.

Bruce Miller has acknowledged he wanted to complete “The Handmaid’s Story” since sooner than the Hulu adaptation of Margaret Atwood’s book debuted in 2017. And followers who tuned into watch the sequence finale Tuesday will see Miller caught with that ending, and he’s obtained the receipts to point out it.

“Successfully, whenever you return and watch the pilot, at first of the pilot, you’ll have the ability to hear her click on on that tape recorder that she clicks on the end of the sequence to start out out recording ‘The Handmaid’s Story’ throughout the audio — and we didn’t return and put that in, that was there,” Miller knowledgeable Choice.

“The Handmaid’s Story” sequence finale ends with June (Elisabeth Moss) returning to her mattress room throughout the Waterfords’ now-destroyed dwelling to start out recording her story, which begins with the first voiceover monologue given by June as a result of the handmaid Offred from the sequence premiere, in preparation to write down down a book about her time in Gilead.

“I always thought it made pure sense. The very very last thing you acknowledge throughout the book about Offred is that she recorded this,” Miller said. “And so when Lizzie and I’ve been talking on the very beginning of the enterprise, you focus on the place you’re going to go. Ought to chances are you’ll wave a magic wand and magically go six seasons — which is unbelievable — then what would we do? And hopefully you ended the place the book ended, which is she’s recording this in a cabin, after which she leaves it behind. We modified it a bit, nevertheless the sound division — who’s an identical sound division we’ve had all alongside, could also be very excited that we’re paying off the Easter egg that they put throughout the very first episode.”

The ending of “The Handmaid’s Story” sequence is simply not the ending of the world of Gilead, which acquired’t be toppled until Hulu’s adaptation of “The Testaments,” Atwood’s 2019 sequel to her seminal 1985 novel. Miller is shepherding that sequence, which is at current in manufacturing, and dealing alongside a whole lot of the an identical group, along with Moss as a producer.

Inside the interview underneath, Miller breaks down how “The Handmaid’s Story” finale will lead into the plot of “The Testaments,” and what changes shall be made to the sequel sequence from its provide supplies — along with how he decided the place to complete June’s story.

I was so excited to see Alexis Bledel come once more as her character Emily for the finale. How did that come about?

It was always understood, a minimal of for me, that I’d do one thing if there was ever a time that it made sense to ship her once more. We preferred her, and she or he preferred being on the current. It was a logistical piece on the end, because you solely have a positive number of weeks to shoot it and it was important to me that she was in that part of the current that was shot in Gilead the place June was once more. On account of her being once more throughout the neighborhood meant a lot a lot much less whenever you didn’t uncover out what occurred to Emily. So it felt like she was half and parcel of that. However it absolutely wasn’t a difficult dedication the least bit, it merely felt identical to the the tumbler that needed to fall into place, nevertheless getting it to happen, as always, is tougher.

I didn’t even discover until the last word strains triggered me to return and watch the pilot that each one the scene in entrance of the ice cream retailer is usually a scene from the pilot. The aquarium scenes with Hannah and Luke are one different reference to the pilot.

Inside the novel, this was June’s story and she or he was the perspective, so that you just solely knew what she knew, and that’s what made it scary. That’s what made it a story the least bit. It wouldn’t be a story whenever you observed it from 30,000 toes. It’s because of June doesn’t know what’s going to happen instantly or tomorrow or in that van or in that room or one thing. So it was important to me to keep up it in that space — that the current was her experience. It’s generally known as “The Handmaid’s Story.” So what I was contemplating is, the place shall I start and the place shall I end?

How are approaching “The Testaments” TV sequence primarily based totally on the place you concluded “The Handmaid’s Story”? That book services on the tales of June’s daughters Hannah and Nichole, along with Aunt Lydia, nevertheless takes place 15 years after the events of “The Handmaid’s Story” book. Is that the time soar you’ll adjust to?

No, it might’t truly be that, because of it covers Hannah when she’s form of in her 14, 15, 16-year-old years. So it’s about 5 years after “The Handmaid’s Story,” possibly additional like three or 4, counting on how we determine — there’s always a bit little little bit of guesswork involved, it’s not an precise world, nonetheless it’s someplace spherical three or 4 years after. And an important and the one function it’s any completely totally different is because of none of that stuff tracks age-wise. On account of our current takes place over a positive timeframe, and infants solely develop over a positive timeframe, and different individuals aren’t merely the very best ages. Nichole is simply not going to highschool, and so we wanted to make changes for that. Nevertheless I’ve to say, Margaret bought right here to speak with me about “The Testaments” being an thought, and we spoke very early on regarding the notion of it. There was merely as a whole lot of her giving me hints then.

So it seems to be as if, now it is advisable to pivot the current — nevertheless that pivoting occurred a really very long time prior to now, just by discussions between me and her about, “That’s the place I’m planning to go together with Aunt Lydia,” and she or he said, “Oh, cool.” She was telling me what she wanted to do, and I was contemplating of the way through which mine tracked with hers, nevertheless she was moreover asking questions regarding the current and the place it would observe. So we had a protracted, ongoing conversations. She wasn’t asking me for permission, by any means, nevertheless she was giving me notion into what I must do with the characters to position them in good stead naturally for “The Testaments.”

What totally different characters might you carry over into “The Testaments”?

Anybody who has an hour free, I’d carry over, if I’ll deal with to make it work. There are, in any case, enterprise points, nevertheless story-wise, I imagine a great deal of them match into “The Testaments” world. These are spectacular people, they often’re my mates, they often do their jobs fantastically, and I is perhaps honored to have them come once more and be part of the story as soon as extra each time we’ll decide it out. They’re very linked. I indicate, it’s not like a sequel like one other points the place you’re merely lowering it off. The first set of characters matter massively to the second set of characters. So these tales are very tied collectively, and it’s very rather a lot a continuation of this “Handmaid’s Story” that we’ve seen. You’re merely following the daughter in its place of the mother.

How will June be referenced? Or Nick? In “The Testaments,” Nick has a particular place inside Gilead versus how “The Handmaid’s Story” TV sequence ends, so how does that impact what your mannequin will appear as if?

We’ll truly reference them, and convey it into discount way more than it’s throughout the book, and earlier. On account of the book is principally centered on on her life, Agnes and Lydia, and all these elements of view of their life, and solely does it come to bear on the end. Nevertheless I imagine the place we’re and what we’re doing with the story, with quite a lot of slight variations, they’re contemplating additional throughout the entrance of their minds, nevertheless characters are contemplating additional regarding the specific people who made the changes in the end of the ultimate sequence. So I imagine that June is quite extra present. And although Agnes doesn’t know throughout the story that that’s her mother, she’s telling a story on reflection in “The Testaments,” an identical to “The Handmaid’s Story,” so that Agnes truly is conscious of all the story. So her very uncommon, very influential assortment of mothers is a big part of the story. It’s very good when you start keen about who the women are in her life who’ve influenced her, and, in any case, she’s obtained a great deal of June in her, which suggests she’s big trouble.

A number of individuals have had a tricky time accepting Nick’s demise on the end of Episode 9. There’s been a great deal of psychological gymnastics people have made to be like, “He obtained a parachute, and he’s gonna come out of the plane and we’ll see him throughout the finale.” On excessive that, there’s moreover tons of people that must think about that he was in on that plan to blow up the plane, that he knew about it, and he really was part of Mayday, like he’s throughout the book. So can you set the file straight on what Nick knew and didn’t and whose side he was on in the end?

My sense of that’s he always thought every plane he was going to get on to was going to blow up. On account of he knew, merely even when he wasn’t in with Mayday, he was an Eye, and he knew how strong they’ve been. And I imagine day by day, he sometimes thought it is perhaps his last. I felt like Nick, when he obtained married and when his partner obtained pregnant, he couldn’t be the individual we wanted him to be, that he was, that June preferred, if he didn’t change his viewpoint to position his baby first. And that’s what she tells him to do. She says, “Children look to their fathers.” And I imagine that if the choice is, truly, possibly die stopping or abandon your partner and baby, I can’t take into consideration that he isn’t contemplating that’s the safer route for shielding his family, is to stay within the established order. It’s transferring as a lot as be safer.

So to me, it didn’t have one thing to do with Mayday, truly, it merely wanted to do with being man. That’s all he wanted to aim to be is an efficient man. And as quickly as he obtained married and put down roots in Gilead, I assumed, he truly has put in his lot. And he says very clearly, on the end of Episode 9, “It’s good that you just simply be part of the winners.” He doesn’t say the very best people. And that’s all that’s important to him to protect his family, is that he’s on the profitable side. On account of June is simply not collectively along with her baby, elevating her baby. It’s rather a lot more durable. So to me, it was a pure growth of the great man that he was, and as well as the great man that June form of pulled out of him, that he would certainly not in 1,000,000 years abandon his accountability to this son that’s coming into the world. That’s what I assumed. So he’s fully is conscious of the potential for Mayday to kill him regularly. And I imagine he wasn’t shocked by a great deal of this stuff, that he might have stopped a ton of it, nevertheless he let all of it endure. Nevertheless I imagine in the end, I don’t assume he would’ve been shocked. He wouldn’t have been shocked if Lawrence had knowledgeable him beforehand. And I imagine he nonetheless would have gotten on the plane.

There’s a great deal of references made to Nick all by the episode as successfully with June wanting up over the storage and points like that. I do know there wasn’t a ton of time to unpack her feelings surrounding his demise, nevertheless how rather a lot did it is advisable to incorporate that and the way in which she’s dealing and grieving by means of that?

Oh, fully. It is going to have been eight episodes about that, and I imagine it’ll the next 25 years of her life. We did it as rather a lot as I assumed she will be dealing with it at this stage, this close to when it occurred. However it absolutely underlies all of the episode. It’s form of why she’s having trouble deciding to tell the story or not, is there are people like Nick, people who she was in love with and that’s how that issue ended. Loads of her tales end terribly, so do you inform them or not? And I imagine Luke says, these people are very good, they often can’t be misplaced to historic previous, along with him. So I imagine the mourning course of is solely beginning. She preferred every of these guys, nevertheless I imagine she was in love with Nick on a really big diploma and through his faults and her faults, I imagine they preferred each other and always puzzled what would have occurred in a particular state of affairs. And I don’t assume that’s going to go away. I don’t assume there’s one thing throughout the episode that makes you assume June is anyplace near that. She’s about to tell you ways she met him when the current ends. The next issue she says is, “There was this scorching man throughout the storage.”

Going to the alternative scorching man — Luke, and the way in which that ends for June. It’s left open ended, the place they plan to meet once more up and are nonetheless working in the direction of getting Hannah, nevertheless aren’t actively a pair. Why end it that technique?

I imagine they’ve modified it a lot, and attributable to that, it truly did appear to be the one technique that they could end responsibly, because of they’re not going to stop and get to know each other — although I imagine they tried to do the short mannequin of that after they obtained collectively in Toronto. They’re realizing it’s going to be a protracted, subtle relationship, nonetheless it ends up. And I like that the reality that they love each other has certainly not been in question — it’s merely the actual fact of whether or not or not their lives are going to be completely collectively or partially collectively. He bought right here into his private this season in a way the place he felt like he wasn’t going to aim to make one other individual’s life greater, he was going to do what he thought was correct and good for the world. He was truly residing his life for the oldsters spherical them and tried to keep up them joyful, collectively along with his daughter. Nevertheless I imagine proper right here he was contemplating, “If I’m not merely wanting spherical for someone to be sad, what am I doing?”

Going once more quite a lot of episodes proper right here — this has been sitting with me since they launched it up: Moira and June have been having a dialog about what Nick did to betray Mayday, they often ship up Angelina Jolie, Rihanna and Halle Berry. The place are these ladies, Bruce? If these people exist on this universe, did they grow to be Handmaids? Are they Marthas? The place’d they go? Did they get to Hawaii?

I assume all of them, all these people, are smart enough to get far, far-off. Utterly. Rihanna would certainly not be caught anyplace near this, or Angelina Jolie or Halle Berry. So I imagine they fully are all in basically essentially the most beautiful, most safe nation that they could most likely uncover.

Hopefully attempting to avoid wasting a lot of us, nonetheless.

Hopefully attempting to avoid wasting a lot of us, nevertheless I don’t assume any of those people have been swept up throughout the horribleness. Thank God.

One among many vivid spots throughout the finale is the alternate actuality scene June needs the place she is out with all the Handmaids and Rita at a karaoke bar singing “Landslide.” In a packed finale, how did you identify that dream sequence have to be included proper right here?

I was attempting to contemplate, truly, when you endure a state of affairs like this, in the end, what does June want? On account of she doesn’t want points once more the way in which through which they’ve been, because of then you definately undoubtedly don’t know Janine or Alma or Nick. So the huge question proper right here is, what does she want? She lastly says, “I would really like points the way in which through which they should have been” — and must have been means you do know Janine, and in addition you do know Alma. So at first of the current throughout the first few seasons, June didn’t have any needs. She had recollections. The long term was horrible. What would she dream about? She had recollections, and she or he would lay in mattress and think about her daughter. Now, as we get to the very end of the current throughout the last season, it’s the first time we now have any needs throughout the current. And he or she has a dream at first of Hannah, after which she has a dream on this final episode and it was because of she has reached the aim the place she’s dreaming as soon as extra, the place she has aspirations for the way in which the world have to be in constructive strategies, not merely bloody commanders everywhere. And so that’s truly the highest, in some strategies, this big part of her life as a Handmaid, is when she might lastly dream as soon as extra.

We don’t get a ton of Serena throughout the finale, nevertheless we do get closure for her, and we get forgiveness from June — which I actually really feel like could also be very daring, and goes to be a controversial dedication. Significantly because of two episodes prior, and from the beginning of the season, she said, “No, I don’t forgive you. I don’t. How might I forgive you?” So why did she make that different, and does she genuinely indicate it? Or was she saying it because of she doesn’t assume she’s going to see Serena as soon as extra, and so let’s merely end it this fashion?

I imagine it was aspirational, like, “I hope I can indicate this,” because of correct afterwards, she says, “It’s essential to start someplace.” So I imagine the idea is she’s unlikely devoted to embracing one thing about this lady, nevertheless she is ready to let go of what ties them collectively, if she’s going to. And I imagine that’s what it was about. It wasn’t additional about, “I’m not going to see you as soon as extra,” it’s, “I’m not going to have you ever ever as my horrible issue anymore. You’re going to go away. And I’ve quite a lot of totally different points to contemplate. I’ve a busy life. I’m completed with you, and so I’ve to forgive you, to assist you to go.” And it must be launched up quite a lot of situations the place she’s contemplating, “I really don’t fucking forgive you,” earlier throughout the season. And proper right here, keen about it, it’s not, “You most likely did one factor that was OK,” it’s, “I’m forgiving you.” Inside the book, that’s one factor Margaret Atwood said, is that’s what precise power is — who will get to forgive who. So that went once more to “The Handmaid’s Story.”

Janine is alive. Janine is free. And Janine has Charlotte. And that’s all most people have been hoping for at a positive degree by the highest of the sequence. What motivated you to current that one big joyful ending to a character who has been always overwhelmed down?

That was very good, and I imagine we’ve been working in path of it for all the season, with regards to the puzzle gadgets slowly coming collectively to let that issue that must have occurred so means again lastly, lastly happen. Lydia has been going by means of a very attention-grabbing arc that Ann Dowd has been having fun with for two or three seasons of reforming, at first to see Janine as a human, after which to see all her girls, as she calls them, as individuals. I imagine that that’s the fruit that that every one bears, is lastly, on this season, Lydia locations her money the place her mouth is quite a lot of situations — and that’s one in all them. And what I wanted to point was that Lydia and, in a positive sense, Naomi [Ever Carradine], wasn’t going to let her die in there. When she obtained taken by the Eyes, they often have been going to do one factor to her, Lydia was not going to let that happen. It’s such an emotional coronary heart of the current, these two ladies.

However as well as Naomi has come a long way with regards to how rather a lot she believes throughout the Handmaid system, however moreover how rather a lot she believes throughout the stability of Gilead as a future for her daughter. And also you’ll’t be a woman in Gilead and by no means think about your daughter’s future, in case you may have a daughter. Nevertheless I imagine that Naomi particularly was always contemplating, “My daughter goes to complete up being on the excessive echelon of society,” like someone like Agnes in “The Testaments,” and so she acquired’t have very many worries. As that begins falling apart around her, she realizes that this baby shall be safer with Janine, and that Janine will do fully all of the issues to take care of this baby and would lay down her life. So it felt like this pure growth for the alternative characters, along with Janine, so that when Janine lastly truly desires help, she’s laid this groundwork from Lydia, from the first friggin episode of the television current, that pays dividend to that second. And he or she plucks her out of there, and she or he does exactly what Janine knowledgeable her to not do: “Depart me alone. Don’t hassle. Don’t butt in anymore. I’m great with out you. You merely fuck points up. Don’t do one thing.” After which she did, and she or he obtained her out.

The utilization of “Look What You Made Me Do” (Taylor’s Mannequin) in Episode 9 had Swifties going crazy. Followers have inspected a couple of of that scene and seen a character shot solely from behind that’s strolling in such a way they assume it’s Taylor Swift herself. Was that her? Did Taylor have a cameo?

I can’t say one thing. I’m not allowed to say one thing.

“Not allowed to say one thing”? Successfully, that makes the speculation worse!

All correct, I’m good at making points worse — that’s how I make all of my money.

How prolonged will or not it’s until we get to see “The Testaments”?

We’re successfully on our technique in path of constructing it. And we’re within the midst of producing, and it’s such a pleasure. We launched over so many people from “The Handmaid’s Story” that we might: the crew, and Elisabeth Moss and I are working collectively as soon as extra, and Warren [Littlefield] and Steve Stark, and Lauren [Thorpe] and all these people all once more collectively. It’s a pleasure to be doing that, and the usual of the work continues to be so very good that every time I’m blown away. So it’s coming rather a lot earlier than I imagine the next season of “Handmaid’s” would have come, nevertheless we’re successfully into it, and it’s coming alongside merely splendidly. I imagine it’ll be a great deal of — in the way in which through which my current is a great deal of satisfying, I imagine it’ll be a great deal of satisfying.

This interview has been edited and condensed.